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RZetlin
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posted July 30, 2000 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RZetlin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was able to find some more information about the Prince of Egypt Sequel, Joseph from Yahoo.

Here's some key points about the movie:

  • It's a bloody musical! (Five songs)

  • It's targeted at younger viewers and their parents. Read-alongs and sing-along features.

  • Dreamworks is following Disney and Universal example.

Huh, what happen to the more mature themes that Dreamworks was heading for, like in Prince of Egypt?

Why is Dreamworks heading the Disney routine?

Bad Dreamworks, Bad!

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D.E.P
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posted July 30, 2000 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D.E.P     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although it does have songs in it, the basic story line is still pretty adult stuff. It will of course be also marketed towards children since these videos are usually bought for them.

But don't expect the same mature content you saw in POE, because there is just no way they could do that and make a profit. Don't dismiss Joseph so quickly Zetlin, it might still be good. After all, you haven't seen anything for it have you!

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posted July 31, 2000 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hunimator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand this whole, let's turn our animated features into cheap direct to video sequels idea. Why are they still doing this?
Well, maybe I understand why Disney did it with Aladdin or The Lion King, but DW with the Prince of Egypt? What the F.CK?!!
What will it be this time? The adventures of Moses Jr. or just young Moses playing with his stupid childhood friends!
Ridiculous!
I feel like they're trying to rape this movie.
No man, this can't be good!
There's just no way.

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D.E.P
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posted July 31, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D.E.P     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well before you start panicking too much you should know that the video is NOT a sequel or a prequel. It's about Joseph, which is a story all on it's own. And the story is actually quite interesting. The only similarity is the bible theme told in the same style.

If you are not familiar with the Joseph story, think of the "Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat" show on Broadway.

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RZetlin
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posted July 31, 2000 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RZetlin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dreamworks is turning out worse than Disney.

I can't remember the last time Disney took such a conservative religious view with their animation like a Moses movie or a Joseph movie.

Okay I can see how Dreamworks' Joseph sing along movie will look like. "Okay kiddies, let's sing some Psalms!....God is good la la la!"

I can't believe I will say this but...I want Disney to destroy Dreamworks.

That's right, I want Disney movies to kill off Dreamworks' second rate Disney wannabe movies.

I want Esiner to come in and give Katzenburg a few beats.

I want all those Dreamworks staff memebers that defected from Disney to be dragged back back to the Disney studio kicking and screaming and tried for treason.

[This message has been edited by RZetlin (edited July 31, 2000).]

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Samus Aran
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posted July 31, 2000 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh!
I'm going to see how Spirit turns out before I make a decision about Dreamworks. I think that movie, and Dreamworks animation itself has lots of potential, and Disney needs the competition. Dreamworks needs something to establish their 2-D animated movies... People commonly mistake Dreamworks animated movies for Disney. El Dorado was embarrassingly bad, but maybe it was just a misstep. Dreamworks needs to establish their own place. They hopefully realize that they can't beat Disney at their own game... If they can't be original, they will always be struggling behind Disney. At least, that's how I see it.
Give them time. Maybe sometime they'll have a breakthrough movie that will owe nothing to Disney.

[This message has been edited by Samus Aran (edited July 31, 2000).]

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posted July 31, 2000 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Washuu's Sister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to see it just to see what they do "Potifer's wife seducing Joseph" part of the story.

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hunimator
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posted August 01, 2000 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hunimator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, so Dreamworks will now animate the Bible from A-Z ?!
Jeez, that's exciting!
Damn, one bible story is enough! TPOE was fresh, nice and never before done in feature animation! I liked(like) it very much!
Now they have to move on, show us things we've never seen before Mr. Katzenberg!

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Samus Aran
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posted August 01, 2000 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dreamworks ought not to do their version of Noah's Ark, since Disney "We can animate a bible story too y'know!" did that in Fantasia 2000.

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posted August 01, 2000 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Max     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hunimator:
Oh, so Dreamworks will now animate the Bible from A-Z ?!
Jeez, that's exciting!
Damn, one bible story is enough! TPOE was fresh, nice and never before done in feature animation! I liked(like) it very much!
Now they have to move on, show us things we've never seen before Mr. Katzenberg!

If DW continues to do DTV bible-based films (and they may if Joseph is a success), it will not be at the expense of other theatrical film ideas. Two years ago no one at DW was debating "Do we make Spirit or Joseph?" It's two seperate things. POE seemed to show that there's a large and mostly untapped appetite for well-done stories based on the Old Testament. After POE, when visiting family in the midwest, strangers came up to me whenever I wore my crew t-shirt and expessed real gratitude. It was a little weird.

I would agree with you if DW gave up on making any other animated films to produce just religious fare, by they've got 3 completely seperate studios working full time making a variety of animated features for the big screen (the Glendale traditional studio, PDI, and Aardman). Efforts like Joseph don't take anything away from that.

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Samus Aran
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posted August 02, 2000 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry about it Max, we're just kidding around. We know Dreamworks won't become some kind of Ned Flanders-esque Bible animation team. Although I would like to see how a big studio would handle the Genesis. Ooo, nudity! How taboo!
Sorry if I came down too hard on El Dorado, I know it had production problems, and the songs made it seem kind of like an anarchronism... I'm sure Spirit will be better. The one piece of art with the running horse, the hopefully more serious mood, and the telepathy (like Disney should have had the guts to do with Dinosaur) were enough to sell me on it.

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posted August 02, 2000 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anime_chick3000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whats wrong with movies about the bible? If we have so many different categories wht doesn't religion get one? I, personally like the idea of the movies.

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Samus Aran
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posted August 02, 2000 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing's wrong with animated Bible stories. I meant that we know Dreamworks would not exclusively make only that kind of material (as hunimator seemed kinda worried about)!

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Anime_chick3000
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posted August 02, 2000 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anime_chick3000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh alright. I didn't know if you guys were against it or not. It's all cheeky It sounded like you didn't like it, so I posted, but...........I misunderstood. Sorry!

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Samus Aran
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posted August 02, 2000 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem!

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hunimator
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posted August 03, 2000 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hunimator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I know "Joseph" isn't the only production running at Dreamworks.
What I meant was, that I don't like the idea of another Bible story being produced for direct to video release. It's basicaly the same idea as TPOE and that, I think is a waste of time and money. Instead, DW should come up with new concepts for their direct to video productions.
I just say this, because I like and admire Dreamworks very much and I'd like to see them continue with their pioneering work. (even if it's a theatrical feature, a direct to video production, an Aardman film or a PDI coproduction)
Walking this path is the only way to beat Disney and a good way to make their work stand out from the other productions in the business.
"Joseph" however, is not what I was expecting from Dreamworks, certainly not at this moment! Instead of walking ahead, they now are running behind Disney. Too bad!
I just hope they won't make a Road to El Dorado sequel or TV show. That would really break my heart.

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posted August 03, 2000 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Max     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hunimator:
Yeah, I know "Joseph" isn't the only production running at Dreamworks.
What I meant was, that I don't like the idea of another Bible story being produced for direct to video release. It's basicaly the same idea as TPOE and that, I think is a waste of time and money. Instead, DW should come up with new concepts for their direct to video productions.

I'd be interested to hear about DTV films that were completely original that made money. A high end DTV costs in excess of $10 million to make and another $10 million at least to advertise and distribute. The track record is that DTV films that follow successful theatrical features tend to do well, while completely original DTV fare doesn't. I understand what you're saying about Joseph following in POE's footsteps, but it would have been extremely poor business for DW to go to the expense and trouble of creating something new and original (and therefore even more expensive) and then put it out direct to video. Not even Disney, with their brand name recognition and staggering distribution network, does that. And since the vast majority of production work on Joseph was farmed out, it wasn't a waste of anyone's time at DreamWorks. It will only be a waste of money if it fails.

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posted August 11, 2000 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with Prince of Egypt is the really bad decision on the film makers part to take for granted that many audience members know the Exodus story. The film becomes nothing more than a pageant.

I want to see them animate Revelations--or maybe even the Song of Solomon!!

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Samus Aran
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posted August 11, 2000 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samus Aran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Max:
I'd be interested to hear about DTV films that were completely original that made money.

I can think of a lot of anime direct-to-videos that were original, well done and huge successes, mostly in Japan but some here as well. (Ex. Macross Plus, Giant Robo, Ninja Scroll) Rather sad that the animation studios with the most money and resources in the West can't provide this, but instead feel oblidged to stick to sure-selling formulas.

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Leigh
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posted August 22, 2000 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After all the bible stories it really begins to remind me of religion class. POE was very good-it beats out all the other bible movies- but, too many of them is a bit much. I hope they stop with Joseph and try to break new ground in a different direction.

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